tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7808733415551134993.post7190362965276342211..comments2024-03-05T13:51:24.898-07:00Comments on Spacefreighters Lounge : SIZE COUNTS IN TELLING A TERRIFIC TALEUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7808733415551134993.post-47972961800562409292013-01-15T07:42:00.701-07:002013-01-15T07:42:00.701-07:00For small pubs, it has to partly be a time issue, ...For small pubs, it has to partly be a time issue, I'd think. They can edit several small files in the time it takes to edit one big file. I'm not sure why my publisher let me get away with my BABs, but they did. Maybe for small pubs, it comes down to loving the book, too? Rather the way other pubs find books? Cause none of them really know what will work and what won't. They are just readers with power. Grin.<br /><br />Do you read Dean Wesley Smith or The Business Rusch? He's a small publisher now, so he does look at a lot of this stuff. But in the end, it comes down to readers liking what you write enough to take your journey with you. His advice is to write, write and then write more.<br /><br />Diversify your business plan and get your work out there. He's not big on promotion, but he wouldn't be. He's got his fan base established. <br /><br />IMHO (and possibly wrong opinion), the most important thing an author can do is write and do it from the heart, from their passion. Because its a long and lonely thing to write. Why spend it writing what you must?<br /><br />Yes, my writing is a business, but its MY business and I get to do it my way. And my way is to have fun while I'm doing it.Paulinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06673963438671468441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7808733415551134993.post-70266243289896337772013-01-14T19:25:04.236-07:002013-01-14T19:25:04.236-07:00I'm not so sure it's about price point, Do...I'm not so sure it's about price point, Donna. In the digital realm, a 40,000 word story and a 400,000 word story cost virtually the same to produce. There is no paper, cover or binding charges. And I've also seen 40 page stories sell for almost as much as full length novels, so the pricing doesn't seem at all in line with the length of the story.<br /><br />So why wouldn't digital publishing be embracing these behemoth works, if the former barriers were based merely on cost? I have to think it's because readers aren't buying as many monster tomes for their digital readers as they are barely-a-novel length works. <br /><br />I know I experience a certain impatience to finish when reading a digital book, that I don't have when reading a tangible book I'm holding in my hands. I'm not sure why that is. (Someone should apply for a grant to find out.) <br /><br />Maybe I haven't yet adjusted from holding a paper book to reading a few paragraphs at a time on my Kindle. And for a novel running 160,000 words, that's a whole lot of digital page turning when you only see a few paragraphs at a time. So maybe the demand for shorter stories is all about reader patience and lack of attention span.<br /><br />But that's just a guess.L. A. Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01198035351359321392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7808733415551134993.post-17808059708432749102013-01-14T11:28:41.451-07:002013-01-14T11:28:41.451-07:00Well, and here's the $64,000 question--do the ...Well, and here's the $64,000 question--do the digital publishers want shorter works because they sell better, or do digital readers settle for shorter works because that's what the epubs mostly put out there (at lower prices-sometimes for free?). I can read Stephen King just as easily on my Kindle as I can anyone else--it's just a bigger file. The studies I've read show digital readers aren't fundamentally different from other readers--older folks, in fact, have rushed to buy e-readers. I doubt their attention spans are subtantially shorter than those of their non digital peers. I suspect it's the price point that makes the difference.Donna S. Frelickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16431686010313020234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7808733415551134993.post-48205677760522594642013-01-14T10:32:13.088-07:002013-01-14T10:32:13.088-07:00I will note that my best selling SFR is actually T...I will note that my best selling SFR is actually The Key, which clocks in at a hefty 150K. Girl Gone Nova is "slightly" shorter, my next best selling SFR. I've done a novella and some short stories that have yet to catch up. I haven't seen enough numbers from Steamrolled yet, but who is to say it is length or genre mashing if it doesn't sell as well? (wry grin) Judging by the reviews, readers either love it or hate. No middle ground. LOLPaulinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06673963438671468441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7808733415551134993.post-49235306609885869292013-01-14T04:21:30.148-07:002013-01-14T04:21:30.148-07:00I'm naturally wordy! I have problems writing s...I'm naturally wordy! I have problems writing shorter stories but I've done it, just to try and get my name out there. There's a particular skill in writing something short that's not all sex. I don't like stories that concentrate on that. I want to know about the characters and why they act as they do.<br />I agree that with Sci fi rom and fantasy you really need the words to make the world come alive. There is nothing more frustrating than having some half-assed description that doesn't make you believe in the place. <br />But the e-lot do like shorte mostly. I think it sells better otherwise why would they limit the word length?Barbara Elsborghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15825994197656747262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7808733415551134993.post-53547351181456822432013-01-12T14:34:21.519-07:002013-01-12T14:34:21.519-07:00I love me a long, meaty book. My first novel clock...I love me a long, meaty book. My first novel clocked in at 110,000 words. At an agent's request I whittled it down to 99,000, then rewrote the ending and got it down to around 96,000. This is why I will never write category romance. I find the word count requirements stifling.<br /><br />I don't like short. I feel ripped off when I end up with a novel that's shorter than I thought. It's my only complaint with digital publishing. You don't have the cost constraints of publishing a 120,000 word book, so stop acting like you do!<br /><br />I love subplots and secondary viewpoint characters. My current WIP has two leads and three secondary POV's. I'm in heaven. Part of the allure of science fiction is intricate plots and the scope of writing about a galaxy in the midst of change.<br /><br />I too write what I need to write, until the story is told. No matter how many words it takes.Rachel Leigh Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16004728242824462126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7808733415551134993.post-53454690270258453522013-01-12T12:41:03.435-07:002013-01-12T12:41:03.435-07:00Again, you raise a multi-faceted topic, Donna, and...Again, you raise a multi-faceted topic, Donna, and one I've wrestled with on many occasions.<br /><br />Before acquiring an agent, i was interested in publishing with a new digital press, until I learned that they wanted SFR novels of 50,000 words or less. <br /><br />50,000 words? *shock and dismay*<br /><br />I'm barely getting the story warmed up in 50,000 words! My shortest novel runs 111,000, and my current project has been whittled down from 136,000 words to 116,000 with much sweat, angst and grueling edit passes. <br /><br />You can trim and tighten relentlessly, but IMHO you simply can't create entire worlds and universes, or begin to explore the politics, tech, or cultural issues--not to mention an intertwining plot and character arc--in 50,000 words.<br /><br />The irony is, readers seem to want stories on their e-readers that are faster reads, but then they aren't satisfied because they don't get the big, fleshed-out tales they love. It's a digital Catch-22.<br /><br />So the question is do we write the stories that fit the desired word count and hopefully make for a quicker sale, or do we craft the epic stories we envision in our heads and hearts? The answer for each writer depends on what they want out of their writing career.<br /><br />For me, I think Pauline hit it on the mark. I'm writing the tales I need to write. It may take me longer to find a publisher, but to me, the story is worth it. <br /><br />That doesn't mean I can't take a few smaller ideas and turn them into shorts or novellas. But my "big" stories--my Golden Heart finalists, and the ones I've spent a lot of time writing, editing and perfecting--those need to be complete and fully explored plots and ideas. L. A. Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01198035351359321392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7808733415551134993.post-10116765044008227372013-01-12T11:05:34.856-07:002013-01-12T11:05:34.856-07:00I can definitely speak to the challenges of trying...I can definitely speak to the challenges of trying to market longer books. And getting hammered when you do write something short. LOL<br /><br />You could probably sum it up as: you can't please everyone. ever. <br /><br />I am surprised digital only publishers have problems with longer works, though there is the time between releases. Sadly, the authors who seem to be doing well are the ones who can keep churning out the novella length books.<br /><br />If you want to go print, even self pubbed print, then shorter books have smaller prices. <br /><br />So why did I do it? Because one of the benefits of being small pressed published is being able to write the book you want to write. Finding readers who want to invest the time is a challenge. I will freely admit this. But I can't imagine my books being other than they are. So I remind myself that not everyone likes bacon and chocolate. Or me. (grin)Paulinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06673963438671468441noreply@blogger.com